Scott
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Post by Scott on Jan 13, 2022 17:20:00 GMT
I feel like the word limit worries is such a non-issue in a 1500 word RP e-fed that it's silly to even be arguing its merits right now lol
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FUZ
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Post by FUZ on Jan 13, 2022 17:21:25 GMT
Forgive me if this has been asked/ mentioned/ stated somewhere... but I am curious... Does the WLCW/ you (Craig) have an "official" word counter that we can collectively default to? For example, I used the same text and ran it through a couple different counters. My last Kingston's role came out as follows: Google Docs - 1259 The board's counter - 1067 wordcounter.net - 1108 So, in a truly competitive match... it would be beneficial if both competitors were using the same counter to check themselves. I say this in the kindest and most sincere terms, with no disrespect added. Who cares. As long as it's not like egregious then why should I care that my opponent went a little over the word count. It's not beneficial to the competition, it's the opposite really. It's making people hyper focus on little things and saying "Oh that? I should definitely be more favored because of that" and not focusing on their rps and character building. I answer this kindly and without disrespect. Who cares? I care. I am not concerned about my opponent. I am concerned about me. Part of the challenge is keeping each role(s) AT or below the word limit... why the fuck wouldn't I want to make sure I did that? It's no different than any other compeitive writing competion. For a decade I worked for a poetry press, and when we ran our compeition we had very specific guidelines... meaning, if we asked for manuscripts of poetry, we would say something like, "The manuscript should be paginated (between 50 and 120 pp.) and include a table of contents and acknowledgments page." When our contest submissions came in... any submission that exceeded 120 pages... was not read. Instead, it was set aside. |
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Post by Anthony on Jan 13, 2022 17:24:15 GMT
I say this in the kindest and most sincere terms, with no disrespect added. Who cares. As long as it's not like egregious then why should I care that my opponent went a little over the word count. It's not beneficial to the competition, it's the opposite really. It's making people hyper focus on little things and saying "Oh that? I should definitely be more favored because of that" and not focusing on their rps and character building. I answer this kindly and without disrespect. Who cares? I care. I am not concerned about my opponent. I am concerned about me. Part of the challenge is keeping each role(s) AT or below the word limit... why the fuck wouldn't I want to make sure I did that? It's no different than any other compeitive writing competion. For a decade I worked for a poetry press, and when we ran our compeition we had very specific guidelines... meaning, if we asked for manuscripts of poetry, we would say something like, "The manuscript should be paginated (between 50 and 120 pp.) and include a table of contents and acknowledgments page." When our contest submissions came in... any submission that exceeded 120 pages... was not read. Instead, it was set aside. That's the exact issue. This isn't a poetry press or a writing competition with legit real world rewards/consequences. This is a hobby for fun. You're taking it far more serious than necessary. But you do you, boo. I'm gonna do what I said, and just write for fun. |
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FUZ
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Post by FUZ on Jan 13, 2022 17:24:38 GMT
And, I would certainly think if a match was being judged with a fine tooth comb, and it's a super important one with all the marbles on it... a match that is so close that Craig can't call it... so close that it almost has to end in a draw... except one of the two competitors went 200 words over the limit?
I suppose I just assumed if something was a LIMIT... then we should strive to not exceed it?
Otherwise, it's a suggested word limit. And we might as well throw it away.
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FUZ
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Post by FUZ on Jan 13, 2022 17:26:09 GMT
I answer this kindly and without disrespect. Who cares? I care. I am not concerned about my opponent. I am concerned about me. Part of the challenge is keeping each role(s) AT or below the word limit... why the fuck wouldn't I want to make sure I did that? It's no different than any other compeitive writing competion. For a decade I worked for a poetry press, and when we ran our compeition we had very specific guidelines... meaning, if we asked for manuscripts of poetry, we would say something like, "The manuscript should be paginated (between 50 and 120 pp.) and include a table of contents and acknowledgments page." When our contest submissions came in... any submission that exceeded 120 pages... was not read. Instead, it was set aside. That's the exact issue. This isn't a poetry press or a writing competition with legit real world rewards/consequences. This is a hobby for fun. You're taking it far more serious than necessary. But you do you, boo. I'm gonna do what I said, and just write for fun. Literally only asked CRAIG in an AMA forum if he had any thoughts on what word counter he was going to use. Since I realized that some count the formatting and others don't pick it up. Keep doin' you boo boo. |
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Post by Craig on Jan 13, 2022 17:28:15 GMT
At work now. weird day here. I’ll answer when I get home for lunch. This word count thing is a non issue. Please stop treating it as such. Thank you.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2022 17:29:25 GMT
Honestly, until the person who created this post/forum topic (Craig), shares his thoughts on the matter, and he (again, Craig) shared his preferred tool if he (Craig) has one..
Let's not get in a tizzy over something until he (LOL Craig) responds.
In short, is it a big deal? In the long and short, no. But since it bothers someone who wanted to ask, I guess we should wait for an official answer.
Hi Craig.
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dustin
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Post by dustin on Jan 13, 2022 17:37:54 GMT
I'm good either way. If it's a hard 1500 words, then I'll just start my RP with a 1400 word goal. I'm usually a few words over by the time I'm done, so that will give me a good buffer.
If we are being given a little wiggle room, I'm good with that too. Sometimes that would eliminate handlers having to take out parts of their RP, changing their finished product a bit.
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Scott
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Post by Scott on Jan 13, 2022 17:43:22 GMT
New question
Craig, would you rather fight a horse-sized duck or 100 duck-sized horses?
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josh
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Post by josh on Jan 13, 2022 17:46:11 GMT
Guys, be civil. There's literally zero reason to be up in arms over something that's a total non-issue. The word counts didn't hurt or hinder anyone during this previous cycle. Focus this energy on providing some feedback for results in the feedback thread instead of negative fuckery.
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Post by Craig on Jan 13, 2022 17:53:11 GMT
Yeah man. Leave me show feedback. That cena rap mid match was trending on Twitter
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Post by cxbx on Jan 13, 2022 18:10:36 GMT
I'd like to weigh in on the word counter question, because it's one that I am familiar with due to issues in other feds. Would it be possible to implement a rule that says you can submit a roleplay of any length but only the first 1,500 words will be judged for match purposes?
But, moving forward - Craig, would you ever consider a word cap for results?
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Post by Craig on Jan 13, 2022 18:45:09 GMT
Forgive me if this has been asked/ mentioned/ stated somewhere... but I am curious... Does the WLCW/ you (Craig) have an "official" word counter that we can collectively default to? For example, I used the same text and ran it through a couple different counters. My last Kingston's role came out as follows: Google Docs - 1259 The board's counter - 1067 wordcounter.net - 1108 So, in a truly competitive match... it would be beneficial if both competitors were using the same counter to check themselves. Let me preface this by saying this. I have never cared for word limits. However, I put them in place for a reason. Because I don't want to continuously read long RPs to decide matches. The word limits were also put in place to promote more people to come and join. Because let's face it, not a lot of us have the time we used to have to do this. I digress though. I understand that as the person of authority within this place, it is my job to make hard rules and limitations on this. So here's my say on it. Please attempt to stay under the word limits given for your matches. Name plates do not count against your word count. Because if I say they do, you'll all just make images instead to use and it will defeat that purpose entirely. If I see an issue where someone is continually pushing the limits and going over - even by just a few words, I will reach out to them privately and discuss it with them. In the event where words for an RP need to be counted this web site will be what it used in that situation. With that said...I'm gonna take off my "general manager" or "owner" or "guy who opened this place" hat for a second. When I opened this place, I did it for one reason - just one: I wanted to have a place where people could come and have fun and tell stories and we have a cool place to compete and just be together...I don't know. I know it sounds lame. And I know being in the position I am, I have to make these hard decisions on some matches...so please don't make it more difficult for me by fudging the word numbers on your RPs. Just stay under and let's all just compete under the same umbrella. I know that the word count limits are a struggle for some of you because you enjoy and sometimes *need* more words to tell your story. I don't want to hinder anyone from having fun here, but at the same time, we're all going to play by the same rules. That being said, if you and your opponent want to raise a word limit or even eliminate it entirely from your match, as long as you both agree on that, I'm perfectly fine with that. This will be the last we'll talk about word counts in this AMA thread. If you need more clarification or want to talk about it further, you can send me a PM on here or you can hit me up on discord, my tag there is Cross#5097. Thank you all! |
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Post by Craig on Jan 13, 2022 18:47:09 GMT
I'd like to weigh in on the word counter question, because it's one that I am familiar with due to issues in other feds. Would it be possible to implement a rule that says you can submit a roleplay of any length but only the first 1,500 words will be judged for match purposes? But, moving forward - Craig, would you ever consider a word cap for results? No thanks on the first 1500 words. I understand the premise and idea behind it, but that's not a road I want to go down. A word limit on results? After this last Vengeance? Yes lol. Just kidding. No way. You guys put in the time and effort to sit down and write these RPs, I want to make sure you all get the results those RPs and your work deserve. And that's a big thing for me. I want your work to be rewarded. I'm not allowed - per se - to just come out and give you feedback and tell you how much I love your RPs given my position within the fed. So, I want the results I give you for your match to be part of an overall feedback that I can give. I want to reward two people coming at each other and going all out with a hellaciously awesome match. So to answer that, no, I'll never put a word limit on results. |
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Post by Craig on Jan 13, 2022 18:48:03 GMT
New question Craig, would you rather fight a horse-sized duck or 100 duck-sized horses? Here's the thing...I have horses. Three of them. They're beautiful and huge animals. A horse sized duck would be terrifying, but I'm fucking ready man. I'll bust that bird's beak so bad. Seriously. Not even close. |
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